135: Ryan Sawyer (Zeena Parkins, Charles Gayle, Boredoms, At The Drive In)

Ryan Sawyer grew up in Texas, where he joined At The Drive In and played on the band’s first album. A long time resident of New York, Ryan has honed a style at the convergence of punk and jazz. His collaborators have included Thurston Moore, TV On The Radio, Boredoms, Zeena Parkins, Charles Gayle, and Gang Gang Dance. Ryan talks to Joe about self doubt, relevancy, his computer programmer parents, and witnessing Sheila E. in first grade.